tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:/discussions/moneydance-development/1222-will-the-free-balance-predictor-extension-be-fixedInfinite Kind: Discussion 2018-03-17T08:31:02Ztag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T15:31:09Z2015-08-20T18:29:15ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>a) The BP extension is a 3rd party extension as is not the IKs
to fix.</p>
<p>b) We don't have the source code to release as its a 3rd party
extension.</p>
<p>c) The exiting BP extension works fine for MD2014. I don't think
we should remove it for MD2014 users.</p>
<p>Ben Spencer<br>
Infinite Kind Support</p></div>Ben Spencertag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T16:49:53Z2015-08-20T18:29:15ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>So what is the answer, is it going to be fixed or not? From my
point of view I had it working on 2014 but when I downloaded 2015
it had disappeared. I have it back now but apart from a short
period of time it has not worked. Without it working or a suitable
alternative I would be reluctant to recommend Moneydance to others.
In my opinion it doesn't matter who wrote the extension Moneydance
is not the same without it. I bought Moneydance on the assumption
that the extension was available.</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T17:01:39Z2015-08-20T18:29:15ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>I think the developer of the extension has made their position
pretty clear. They have a free version which can forecast up to one
month into the future but if you want to use the full version the
developer would like you to purchase it from him.</p>
<p>Ben Spencer<br>
Infinite Kind Support</p></div>Ben Spencertag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T17:15:13Z2015-08-20T18:29:15ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Is there a link for the free version and a link for the
developers paid version. Thanks in advance.</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T17:20:49Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>The extension for 2015 can be found at <a href="http://www.moneyforesight.com/">http://www.moneyforesight.com/</a></p>
<p>Ethan<br>
Moneydance Support</p></div>Ethantag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-13T19:42:00Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>The BP extension is signed as "v100 The Infinite Kind" so that's
why I thought it was developed and the source owned by IK. How
could one tell otherwise?</p></div>icycletag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-14T00:52:53Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>I think I am going to have to eat my hat here. There is a
Balance Predictor Extension that is maintained by TIK. I thought
was referring to the Forecaster extension which is a 3rd party
extension which has now become the "Money Foresight" extension.</p>
<p>I just tried the Balance Predictor Extension on the current
version of MD2015.4 and it seems to work fine. What particular
problem are you having with the Balance Predictor extension? Have
you made sure to update to the latest version?</p>
<p>Ben Spencer<br>
Infinite Kind Support</p></div>Ben Spencertag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-14T10:23:28Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>I downloaded the 2015 MD from iTunes and everything worked OK
with the exception that the previously installed 2014 extension was
not there.</p>
<p>I downloaded the 2015 extension which appeared on the screen but
did not give any readings with the exception of day or so when it
appeared to work but then again failed to give any readings. I had
been deleting it and re-installing it to try and get it to
work.</p>
<p>The version I downloaded was V100.</p>
<p>Having said all that it now appears to be working again.</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-14T12:40:30Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Ever since I've started using MD 2015 the BP extension has been
broken. I install it, check it, see it's broken, and then uninstall
it. Today I did those steps again with MD 2015 build 1227, BP v100
(the BP version has been consistent this whole time) and the result
was the same. I'm surprised it could work for some people and not
others.</p>
<p>I use the "reminders" mode and for any future time periods
chosen (1, 2, 3 months for example) the result is the same: a flat
line for the account chosen, at the account's current balance, with
the line extending horizontally at that same value for the duration
of the chart.</p>
<p>The account chosen has many reminders tied to it and, in fact,
these reminders are visible and all selected if I click the "Manage
Reminders" button.</p>
<p>I'm attaching a picture showing this.</p></div>icycletag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-14T14:59:51Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>It does seem to be broken. I have attacked a bug ticket to this
case.</p>
<p>Ben Spencer<br>
Infinite Kind Support</p></div>Ben Spencertag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-15T19:27:21Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Mine has stopped working again.<br>
icycle. even though mine produced a graph of some sort I had great
doubts as to the authenticity of the graph produced, as every month
appeared to be the same.</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-15T21:12:05Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>I'd contacted IK support for this in the past. This was the
response to my support request #18044 from 2015-02-08:</p>
<pre>
<code>Hi ,
Thanks for letting us know about this issue! There's an existing ticket in our ticketing system regarding this issue, so I've attached it to this discussion and the developers will be looking into it.
Please let us know if we can be of further assistance!
Winnie Aleshire
The Infinite Kind Support</code>
</pre>
<p>Hopefully something comes of one of these bug reports. I'm sure
there are a few folks that'd be willing to debug the code if it
were provided.</p></div>icycletag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-19T15:03:54Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Hi Everybody,</p>
<p>Sorry it has taken so long, but we've fixed the extension and it
should be available for immediately download/update using the
Extensions->Manage Extensions menu or from <a href="http://infinitekind.com/extensions">http://infinitekind.com/extensions</a></p>
<p>I've removed a bunch of unnecessary UI so it should be more
streamlined but with no fewer features - but definitely fewer
bugs!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Sean Reilly<br>
Developer, The Infinite Kind<br>
<a href="http://infinitekind.com">http://infinitekind.com</a></p></div>Sean Reillytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-06-19T15:12:39Z2015-08-20T18:29:14ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Thank you Sean! I've updated and confirmed the extension is now
working here. This is great.</p></div>icycletag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-13T23:59:46Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>This extension is not working for me. I uninstalled and
reinstalled V1.01. See attached for an example. Mostly though it
just sits there with a gray graph.</p>
<p>I just recently switch to Money Dance from quicken. I really
don't understand why it does not just show on the balance each day
in the summary calendar like quicken did. While I am very glad to
get off quicken and not have to run windows anymore the ability to
project available cash is critical. I was hoping the extension
would would give me enough information till I get a chance to write
my own extension which would give me a report with the needed
details. The graph if it worked would be good for a quick glance
but I need to see the exact amount available at each reminder over
several months.</p>
<p>It looks like the paid program Money Foresight gives me what I
need. It is a bit disturbing that it says signature is invalid or
missing though.</p></div>John Tarbottontag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-14T17:57:54Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>I also downloaded Money Foresight but I got concerned when it
said the signature was invalid or missing. I don't really know
enough about computers to understand exactly what that means but it
was enough to stop me going any further and paying for it. I would
be grateful if anyone can explain why the signature would be
invalid or missing?</p>
<p>Also does MF actually do more than Balance Predictor as it only
appears to use the reminders that have already been put in. In
Microsoft Money if I paid for a holiday in June it would anticipate
another holiday coming within the next year and average out the
cost in the following year. MF doesn't appear to do that.</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-14T21:10:39Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Hi Prentonboy,</p>
<p>I'm the developer of the Money Foresight extension.</p>
<p>That warning is not worded very well for non-technical people
and it does look a bit scary. Moneydance displays this warning for
extensions where the source code has not been inspected by the
Moneydance team. Extension developers can give them access to the
source code and if they're happy to vouch for it they build the
source code into a software package (the .mxt file), they digitally
'sign' it and then host it on their servers for direct download by
Moneydance.</p>
<p>It may be comforting for you to know that Money Foresight was
once a free and open source extension called Forecaster that I
first released in late 2008 and maintained up until Moneydance 2015
was released. The Moneydance team signed and hosted the Forecaster.
Since then, I've renamed it Money Foresight and it is no longer
open source. For the time being the source code is not available to
the Moneydance team for them to sign it and hence you see the
warning.</p>
<p>Hope that makes sense so far. A few people have been concerned
about that warning. I'll try and add some information to the MF
website and maybe suggest to Moneydance that they change the
wording.</p>
<p>To answer your other question about what MF can do compared with
Balance Predictor, here is a quick summary of the differences that
I'm aware of:</p>
<p>Compared to Balance Predictor, Money Foresight ...</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>only takes into account transaction reminders when calculating a
forecast as opposed to deriving a forecast based on past
transactions.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>does not graph the 2 week average.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>can forecast multiple accounts in one graph.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>has a table view that lists the forecasted transactions in
tabular format.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>can export the table view to CSV.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>allows the user to specify account 'markers' that will show up
on the graph. e.g. specify the limit of a credit card account.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>allows the user to include or exclude overdue reminders in the
forecast.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>allows the user to save any number of forecast configurations as
favourites and reload them at a later date.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>allows the user to click and drag over a rectangle on the graph
in order to zoom into that period.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>when clicked on, displays a vertical line through the chart with
balances for all accounts on the day that was clicked on.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>allows the user to specify statement dates and payment dates for
their credit card accounts and the appropriate transaction will be
added to the forecast. (note, this only works accurately if you
happen to pay the full balance each month)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>includes a Reminder Summary view that gives you a snapshot view
of the average weekly, monthly and yearly amount of each
reminder.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>includes a Reminder Review view that compares your actual
spending over a past period with your configured reminders for that
period. This view comes in table and graph format.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>has a home page widget.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>I'm afraid it doesn't have that cost averaging feature from MS
Money. I can see why it might be useful to predict future spending
but averaging that out over a year doesn't seem to make sense in
the context of an account balance forecast. I probably don't quite
understand how that feature works.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that's been helpful. I'm more than happy to
answer any more questions you have. If you want to avoid hijacking
this thread, feel free to raise any questions via the issue
tracking system for Money Foresight.<br>
<a href="https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues">https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues</a></p>
<p>Regards,<br>
Kevin</p></div>Kevin Stembridgetag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-15T18:44:58Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Thanks for your prompt reply. I have paid my money for the full
version. It seems to have more than what I thought it would. All I
have to work out now is how to use all the extras that I
wasn’t expecting.</p>
<p>Thanks<br>
Charles</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-22T04:42:51Z2017-12-29T19:40:29ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Will this Balance Predictor work in the latest version of Moneydance? I have it as V17<br>
I currently have Moneydance version 2014.5 (980). It works in that, and I want to know if this works before upgrading. This is the most important extension for me. It lets me look ahead at a graph, and the actual amounts even years ahead.</p></div>jimar2btag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-07-22T09:49:56Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>MD 2015 requires revised versions of all extensions due to
changes in the software. So an extension that works in MD2014 will
not work in MD2015.</p>
<p>You can see what official extensions are available for each
version at:</p>
<p><a href="http://infinitekind.com/extensions">http://infinitekind.com/extensions</a></p></div>dwgtag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-17T18:22:40Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Kevin Stembridge<br>
Money Foresight works well. However since I downloaded it I
virtually have to download an upgrade most days. I'm just wondering
is this normal?<br>
I am now up to v30.2.<br>
Each upgrade I download tells me that it will be a full working
version but will only work 1 month in advance. It does seem to work
normally.<br>
I appreciate the upgrades but I am concerned at the frequency and
of course the warning I receive from Apple prior to downloading
them.<br>
I assume the upgrades are free or are they free for a limited
period?</p></div>prentonboytag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-18T00:03:40Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Hi Charles,</p>
<p>I wouldn't say it's normal to expect very frequent updates (e.g.
every few days). I just happen to have had a bit more spare time
than usual lately so I've been able to churn out a few more
releases. But it is my intention to release a new version whenever
I have something that might be useful to users, even if it's not a
completely polished feature.</p>
<p>In general, I believe there are significant benefits in doing
many small releases rather than doing a small number of big
releases but I was wondering how customers would feel about that.
I'm glad to hear your feedback. Could you elaborate on what it is
that you find concerning about frequent updates? But out of respect
for the original poster I don't want to hijack his thread. Could
you either start a new thread on <a href="http://www.bitbucket.org/moneyforesight/issues">http://www.bitbucket.org/moneyforesight/issues</a>
or feel free to contact me by email (the email address on the
Paypal receipt).</p>
<p>The other thing that is definitely concerning is the one month
limit although I can't tell if you are restricted or are not
restricted. I might be misunderstanding what you are saying. The
download page says that the trial version is fully-featured apart
from being restricted to a one month forecast. However, once you
have registered and activated the restriction will be disabled and
this applies to any updates as well. I'm guessing this is the
situation you are in. Again, feel free to raise an issue on the
Money Foresight issues page and I'll look at it straight away.</p>
<p>To answer your final question, updates are free for 12
months.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Kevin</p></div>Kevin Stembridgetag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-20T18:28:19Z2015-08-20T18:29:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Kevin, Are you going to update the 2014 version any more?<br>
If so would love to have the colors on negative numbers (light
red)<br>
And if possible shading on alternating lines, so that it is easier
to follow<br>
across left to right on each line. This would be in the table
view.<br>
If possible, not sure if it is, but colorizing accounts on the
table view<br>
also, this one would be last on wish list.</p>
<p>On Tue/18/Aug/2015 12:03:43 AM you wrote:</p></div>Jim Blandtag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-20T23:26:13Z2015-08-20T23:26:13ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Hi Jim,<br>
I'm sorry to say I have to leave the 2014 Forecaster orphaned. I'm
only able to work on these extensions in my spare time and it's in
pretty short supply unfortunately.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
Kevin</p></div>Kevin Stembridgetag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-21T16:01:27Z2015-08-21T16:01:27ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Any way to entice you to do the 1st two items-- Shading lines
and colorizing<br>
negatives-- Those should be easier and not take as long.<br>
Make the upgrade a pay version if you must.</p></div>Jim Blandtag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-21T17:01:18Z2015-08-21T17:01:18ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Sorry, I have to be pretty ruthless about prioritising feature
requests. But I think you have some good suggestions so I'll tell
you what I'll do. I'm going to add them as feature requests for
Money Foresight. They won't be at the top of the list but I'll get
to them eventually. When I do, if you're still using the 2014
Forecaster I'll retrofit them to that as well.</p>
<p>Your first request was already implemented in Money Foresight a
couple of weeks ago.<br>
<a href="https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/32">https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/32</a></p>
<p>Add yourself as a watcher to the following issues. If you see
that I've opened them or resolved them, add a comment to let me
know that you would still like them done in Forecaster too.</p>
<p><a href="https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/39">https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/39</a></p>
<p><a href="https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/40">https://bitbucket.org/mahanaroad/moneyforesight/issues/40</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
Kevin</p></div>Kevin Stembridgetag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/371182152015-08-21T17:02:46Z2015-08-21T17:02:46ZWill the free Balance Predictor extension be fixed?<div><p>Thank YOU-- That will work.</p></div>James Bland