Re: Cash flow report with incorrect/wrong amounts when including accounts with security investments [Problems #101957]

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tguny

17 Dec, 2024 01:18 PM

Another month has gone by. Six months since making the initial inquiry. What’s the status on that resolution?

On Nov 19, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Thierry Guny <[email blocked]> wrote:

Good. Any indication on when the fix of valuation at time of transaction will be available? 
Thierry.

On Nov 19, 2024, at 3:56 PM, Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox) <[email blocked]> wrote:

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From: Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)

Yes. Perfect. That’s my view too thanks

On Tue, Nov 19 at 12:25 PM PST, tguny wrote:

The report I have asked a fix for is the cash flow report. This means a representation of cash paid and cash received. In your example, a $100 purchase in February would be valued in the cash flow report as an outflow as of the time of the transaction, i.e. 50£ if the exchange rate is 2:1. If I sold whatever I purchased now, in November, for the same $100, it would be valued at $33.33 given the 3:1 exchange rate. a cash flow report running for the 2024 year and organized by month should show an outflow of 50£ in February and an inflow of 33.33£ in November. Does this help?

On Nov 19, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox) <[email blocked]> wrote:

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From: Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)

As per my message.... My last question is NOT about shares... That will get fixed... This is other currency txns - e.g. buy a car in $ in Jan, but my base currency is £

On Tue, Nov 19 at 11:55 AM PST, tguny wrote:

Well, MD is meant to help manage personal finances so the right way to report is to ensure the tax impact is calculated correctly. So the correct approach is to value everything as of the time it occurs, which is the way the IRS (tax authority here in the US, seems like you may be in the UK) looks at it. In your example below, the purchase would need to be valued at 50£ per share (5000£ total) and the sale of 50 shares at 33.33£ per share (1666£).

On Nov 19, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox) <[email blocked]> wrote:

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From: Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)

FYI. I’ve now reproduced your issue. It’s highlighted another question, not related to shares.

So asking you for your opinion.

If you have a txn for $100 but your base currency is £, and the ex rate was 2:1 = £50. But now the ex rate is 3:1. Would you expect to see £33.33 in the report for that month and the total, or £50 in both, or £50 in the month and £33.33 in the total? Depends if you want all values as of now for like for like comparison, or all valued as if the date they occurred. Also the now date could be now or the end date on the report.

Thoughts?

On Sat, Nov 16 at 09:22 AM PST, Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox) wrote:

Nothing as such. But I couldn’t reproduce the problem. Hence why I was asking for a test dataset that showed the issue.

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