My Mutual Fund share balance updates only when MD is shutdown
My version is 2010r3-751, Mac 10.5.8 on a PPC.
After adjusting mutual fund shares to match my statements the total
share amount did not change. So, thinking the file must first be
saved I saved it, still the total share count did not change. Only
after I shutdown MD then reopened it then the share count reflected
the adjustment I made.
With other versions I could adjust shares then see the change in Portfolio view and, on the Home screen. As you can imagine having to restart MD to check MD balance against a statement makes it time consuming to match balances with fund statements.
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1 Posted by Ben Spencer on 09 Jul, 2010 06:27 PM
Can you tell exactly what you are doing when you say "adjusting mutual fund shares to match my statements". For example are you adding new buy and sell transactions or modifying the share price in the security history or something else?
Sincerely
Ben Spencer
2 Posted by ricdonato on 09 Jul, 2010 06:46 PM
Thank you Ben for your reply.
Yes, I was adding shares added to my statement from a dividend reinvestment. Then as stated, I looked in Portfolio view and, on the Home screen; the shares did not increase. Saved the file, did not close MD however, still the shares did not increase. It was only after closing MD then reopening MD that the share total reflected my new transaction.
Hope that was helpful.
Cordially,
RicD
3 Posted by Ben Spencer on 09 Jul, 2010 07:26 PM
I am also running 2010r3-751.
I tried to reproduce the problem and have not been able to. In a simple example I created an investment account and bought 100 shares in google. I then saved and closed the program. I then reopened the program went back into the investment account and added a divReinviest for 1 share. I checked the portfolio view and it showed that I now had 101 shares. I checked the home page and it said the same. It was not necessary to restart the program to get these numbers to update.
Were you doing anything functionality different from the above. Could you describe what you are doing in such a way that I can reproduce the problem?
Could you also open the console window with Help->Console Window and paste the output to this discussion after you enter a divreinvest. It will show if any errors have occurred.
Sincerely
Ben Spencer
4 Posted by ricdonato on 09 Jul, 2010 08:07 PM
Hi Ben,
Added ten shares, it updated properly, added an addition fifteen shares, again correct updated total. Good news but, hum.
Deleted both transactions, went to Portfolio View, the share balance went down by the fifteen shares but, the additional ten shares in the total appears. Clicked Home Page, on the Home Page share balance is as it should be, back to Portfolio View it also shows correct number of shares. Seems to be some inconsistency.
Console Window:
Starting Moneydance 2010r3 (751)
Settings Folder: /Users/ricdonato/.moneydance
OS: Mac OS X 10.5.8 ppc
Java: 1.5.0_24 (Apple Inc.)
With this not happening on your system I am at a lose as to what is the issue. Perplexing is it not.
Unrelated suggestion:
On the Investment Register screen bottom right there is a Balance box, it would be helpful to see a "Share Total" box as well. As users add transactions we would not have need to switch screens to see if our inputs total our statements.
Cordially,
RicD
5 Posted by Ben Spencer on 10 Jul, 2010 03:05 PM
I am not able to reproduce the problem exactly as described. Deleting buy transactions or reinvestment reliably updates the portfolio view and the home page. However I have noticed that using the undo function to delete a transaction that you just entered does not trigger a refresh of the portfolio view or the home page. Did you use the undo function to to remove this transaction?
With regard to the share total suggestion. Since the register can contain transactions relating to an unlimited number of different securities (Some users have literally hundreds of different securities in an investment account) I do not think that listing the total of each of these in the bottom right hand corner would be feasible.
Sincerely
Ben Spencer
6 Posted by ricdonato on 10 Jul, 2010 03:51 PM
Hi Ben,
No, I did not use the undo function. The entry is highlighted then I pressed either del or delete.
Yes, I understand your comment about unlimited number of different securities, I also have many. Maybe the difference with mine is each mutual fund is setup as on its own, not combined under one or more brokers; I use numerous brokers.
That brings up a question, with Quicken one could combine or separate investments within a broker or move an investment to another broker. At times one will close out from a broker moving an investment, stock or mutual fund, to another broker, or just move one investment from one broker to another. Using Quicken it is easy to drag/drop investments to another broker then everything updates.
A few years ago I recall Sean saying the way MD works that was not possible to drag drop investments from one broker to another, nor could you combine or separate them. So, if one wants to combine all the investments held with one broker is that now possible? Because sometimes I change brokers, at present each one of my investments in MD is separate, not listed within a broker account. Using MD we would want to drag/drop that investment into that new broker; such as move investments from TD to Schwab or Janus, and the like.
With Quicken one could combine all investments held with a broker. Then, if one wanted they could separate them into individual accounts doing away with having them combined under a broker. It gave the user the ability to try different ways to work with their accounts to see which way best worked for them.
Yes I know the above is a bit off topic, thank you for reading it.
Cordially,
RicD
7 Posted by Ben Spencer on 14 Jul, 2010 03:11 PM
Hi
Currently the only way to move investments/security holdings from one account to another is to do "sellXfr" in the source account specifying the destinations account in the transfer field. And then a buy in the destination account at the same price. I realize that this is far from user friendly and there are a couple of tickets open in our issue tracking system for improving this. I am afraid I do not have a time line for when a better way will be implemented.
Sincerely
Ben Spencer
8 Posted by ricdonato on 14 Jul, 2010 03:54 PM
Hi Ben,
Thank you for that information. No, the "sellXfr" is not user friendly nor convenient. Doing it that way makes it quite difficult to try different ways to use MD or to move from one brokerage house to another. As I mentioned, with Quicken it is a drag and drop from one broker to another. When one moves investments from one broker to another they do not sell/purchase shares it is a paper transfer.
Though it is the same amount of shares and price when one shows their accountant or IRS a report that an investment is sold then purchased shares the reports could raise questions. Of course one would have the broker paper but, that negates keeping close tabs on investments within a program such as MD and their ilk.
This is the way MD functions nothing we can do about it so, I will keep accounts as they are. It is my hope this feature will soon be addressed and added. I can well imagine with feature requests, fixes, updates, and the like, must play heck on the minds of MD developers; for sure brain cramps.
Again, thank you for answering my question.
Cordially,
RicD
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