tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:/discussions/problems/86264-md-is-very-slow-to-start-up-on-macos-ventura-1301Infinite Kind: Discussion 2023-05-03T15:40:19Ztag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-08T22:17:08Z2023-01-08T22:17:08ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>Post the output of toolbox, analyse dataset and objects here.<br>
Also post your help/console here too</p></div>Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-09T20:38:09Z2023-01-09T20:38:11ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>toolbox_ouput.txt<br>
———————————— DATASET FILE ANALYSIS<br>
====================</p>
<p>Dataset path: /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance</p>
<p>Dataset size: 51.6MB<br>
- settings file size: 28.9KB - key file size: 0.1KB - tiksync folder size: 51.6MB (with 399 files) (note trunk file size: 42.7MB) (WAITING Sync 'Out' size: 8.7MB with 397 files) - attachments size: 0.0MB (in 0 attachments)</p>
<h2><a name="-archive-size-0-0mb-in-0-files-" class="anchor" href="#-archive-size-0-0mb-in-0-files-"></a>- archive size: 0.0MB (in 0 files)</h2>
<p>Valid files size: 51.6MB (in 401 files)</p>
<p>Non-core file(s) size: 0.1MB (in 3 files)<br>
- Non-core: 0.0MB /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/settings-20230108-1252_$SAVED$ - Non-core: 0.0MB /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/toolbox_update_log.txt - Non-core: 0.0MB /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/settings-20230108-1332_$SAVED$</p>
<p>LARGE (core) file(s) > 0.5MB....:<br>
- 42.7MB Mod: 2023-01-09 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/safe/tiksync/trunk - 1.7MB Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/safe/tiksync/out/20230109000250_985.txn - 2.8MB Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/safe/tiksync/out/20230109000251_297.txn - 1.3MB Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance/safe/tiksync/out/20230108223034_794.txn</p>
<h2><a name="database-object-count-count-est-size-kbs-" class="anchor" href="#database-object-count-count-est-size-kbs-"></a>DATABASE OBJECT COUNT (count) (est.size KBs):</h2>
<p>Object: csnap 118474 26473.8<br>
Object: reminder 6 4.8<br>
Object: txn 19070 14048.2<br>
Object: olsvc 1 2.6<br>
Object: csplit 7 1.2<br>
Object: oltxns 37 4.2<br>
Object: curr 268 72.6<br>
Object: acct 7952 1800.5<br>
Object: misc 3 6.7<br>
========== TOTAL: 145818 42414.4</p>
<h2><a name="quick-search-for-other-datasets-" class="anchor" href="#quick-search-for-other-datasets-"></a>QUICK SEARCH FOR OTHER DATASETS:</h2>
<p>Dataset: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Test.moneydance</p>
<h2><a name="backup-files-" class="anchor" href="#backup-files-"></a>BACKUP FILES</h2>
<p>Archive: Mod: 2023-01-02 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230102-2043.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1252.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1332.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1333.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1334.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1408.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances-20230108-1424.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-02 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-02.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-03 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-03.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-04 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-04.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-05 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-05.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-06 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-06.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-07 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-07.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Our Finances.2023-01-08.moneydancearchive<br>
Archive: Mod: 2023-01-08 /Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups/Test.2023-01-08.moneydancearchive</p>
<h2><a name="sync-folders-found-" class="anchor" href="#sync-folders-found-"></a>SYNC FOLDERS FOUND:</h2>
<p>(for a more extensive search please use Toolbox - Find my Datasets and Backups button</p>
<p><br>
—————————————————— Help/Console<br>
Starting Moneydance 2022.5 (4091) at Mon Jan 09 09:50:49 CST 2023<br>
Settings Folder: /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Library/Application Support/Moneydance<br>
OS: Mac OS X 13.0.1 x86_64<br>
Architecture: intel64<br>
Java: 18.0.1 (Eclipse Adoptium)<br>
Is in sandbox: true; restricted file access: false<br>
Library path: /Applications/Moneydance.app/Contents/MacOS:/Applications/Moneydance.app/Contents/PlugIns/vm.jdk/Contents/Home/lib:/Applications/Moneydance.app/Contents/MacOS:/Applications/Moneydance.app/Contents/PlugIns/vm.jdk/Contents/Home/Frameworks<br>
initialized extension moneyforesight in 0.479 seconds<br>
findandreplace (0): 01-09 09:50:50.361|Initialized build 1215 ok<br>
initialized extension findandreplace in 0.022 seconds<br>
python.path: /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Library/Application Support/Moneydance/python<br>
python.cachedir: /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Library/Application Support/Moneydance/python/cache<br>
python.cachedir.skip: false</p>
<p>############################################################################################################################# toolbox: toolbox_init.py initializer script running - performing some quick checks, logging diagnostics, then will exit....<br>
#############################################################################################################################</p>
<p>initialized extension toolbox in 0.451 seconds<br>
Font initialisation attempted from non-UI thread. Hopping over to dispatch thread...<br>
Initializing fonts:<br>
default: [[SF Pro Display, SF Display, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Lucida Grande, Dialog]] printing: [[SF Pro Display, SF Display, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Lucida Grande, Dialog]] monospaced: [[Gill Sans, Menlo, Monaco, Monospaced]] coding: [[Hack, Monospaced]] fonts resolved:<br>
default: SF Pro Display:13.0:style0 mono: Gill Sans:13.0:style0 coding: Hack:13.0:style0 print: SF Pro Display:12.0:style0 header: SF Pro Display:15.0:style0 register: SF Pro Display:12.0:style0 reportTitle: SF Pro Display:32.0:style0 calendarTitle: SF Pro Display:12.0:style0 reportHeader: SF Pro Display:11.0:style0 detailTitle: SF Pro Display:15.0:style0 detected system appearance: org.violetlib.vappearances.VAppearanceImpl@23eff5d1<br>
detected system appearance: org.violetlib.vappearances.VAppearanceImpl@23eff5d1<br>
Setting look and feel class to org.violetlib.aqua.AquaLookAndFeel<br>
Font initialisation attempted from non-UI thread. Hopping over to dispatch thread...<br>
opening last file: Our Finances<br>
loading dataset: /Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Documents/Our Finances.moneydance<br>
loading with 128 bit encryption key<br>
reading trunk data tiksync/trunk<br>
trunk data loaded (1.65 seconds), checking for incremental updates<br>
loading un-synced txn files...<br>
loading synced txn files...<br>
replacing root: null () with new root: Our Finances (3ee6e680-7ede-4948-b68d-92217b024605</p>
<hr>
<h2><a name="toolbox-quick-information-" class="anchor" href="#toolbox-quick-information-"></a>Toolbox - quick information:</h2>
<p>MD CONSOLE FILE LOCATION: '/Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Library/Application Support/Moneydance/errlog.txt'</p>
<h2><a name="md-config-preferences-location-39-users-thomasgoodhart-library-containers-com-infinitekind-moneydanceosx-data-library-application-support-moneydance-config-dict-39-" class="anchor" href="#md-config-preferences-location-39-users-thomasgoodhart-library-containers-com-infinitekind-moneydanceosx-data-library-application-support-moneydance-config-dict-39-"></a>MD CONFIG/PREFERENCES LOCATION: '/Users/thomasgoodhart/Library/Containers/com.infinitekind.MoneydanceOSX/Data/Library/Application Support/Moneydance/config.dict'</h2>
<p>BACKUPS - Save Daily: True<br>
BACKUPS - Keep no more than: 15 backups<br>
BACKUPS - Separate Backup Foldr: True<br>
BACKUPS - Backup Folder: '/Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups' (backup location exists)<br>
..key - 'backup.location': '/Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups' ..key - 'backup.last_browsed': '' ..key - 'backup.last_saved': '/Users/thomasgoodhart/Documents/Finances/Moneydance Backups'</p>
<h2><a name="-key-39-_default_backup_dir-39-39-not-set-39-" class="anchor" href="#-key-39-_default_backup_dir-39-39-not-set-39-"></a>..key - '_default_backup_dir': ''</h2>
<p>System Default Locale Cty/Lang: 'US' / 'en'<br>
MD Preference Locale Ctry/Lang: 'US' / 'en'<br>
MD Locale Cty/Lang: 'US' / 'en'</p>
<h2><a name="moneydance-decimal-point-39-39-" class="anchor" href="#moneydance-decimal-point-39-39-"></a>Moneydance decimal point: '.'</h2>
<p>MD EXECUTION MODE: 2 (Normal)<br>
JVM - Available processor cores: 8<br>
JVM - Maximum memory possible: 7.2 GB</p>
<h2><a name="jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-5-gb-free-0-3-gb-" class="anchor" href="#jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-5-gb-free-0-3-gb-"></a>JVM - Total memory allocated: 0.8 GB (used 0.5 GB / free 0.3 GB)</h2>
<hr>
<p>JVM - Maximum memory possible: 7.2 GB</p>
<h2><a name="jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-6-gb-free-0-2-gb-" class="anchor" href="#jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-6-gb-free-0-2-gb-"></a>JVM - Total memory allocated: 0.8 GB (used 0.6 GB / free 0.2 GB)</h2>
<hr>
<p>JVM - Maximum memory possible: 7.2 GB</p>
<h2><a name="jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-4-gb-free-0-4-gb-" class="anchor" href="#jvm-total-memory-allocated-0-8-gb-used-0-4-gb-free-0-4-gb-"></a>JVM - Total memory allocated: 0.8 GB (used 0.4 GB / free 0.4 GB)</h2>
<p>ICloudContainer.isContainerAvailable(): nativeGetICloudPath: null<br>
VAQUA: system appearance did change<br>
detected system appearance: org.violetlib.vappearances.VAppearanceImpl@23eff5d1<br>
VAQUA: applying updated theme: default<br>
detected system appearance: org.violetlib.vappearances.VAppearanceImpl@23eff5d1<br>
Setting look and feel class to org.violetlib.aqua.AquaLookAndFeel<br>
extension moneyforesight took a while (0.223 seconds) to respond to event md:file:opened<br>
Java version: 1800001<br>
Update info received with successful signature verification<br>
Version info retrieved; we are up to date!<br>
it took 1.039 seconds to build a plaid client<br>
Got accounts for item nww80aYdk7Tnra3rmYLQipE6pknqZAfQJ5mPL: Response{protocol=h2, code=200, message=, url=<a href="https://mdplus.infinitekind.com/plaid/accounts/get">https://mdplus.infinitekind.com/plaid/accounts/get</a>}<br>
old and new account info is the same. count=4<br>
successfully updated MD+ account lists<br>
Got accounts for item nww80aYdk7Tnra3rmYLQipE6pknqZAfQJ5mPL: Response{protocol=h2, code=200, message=, url=<a href="https://mdplus.infinitekind.com/plaid/accounts/get">https://mdplus.infinitekind.com/plaid/accounts/get</a>}<br>
old and new account info is the same. count=4<br>
successf</p></div>Thomas Goodharttag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-09T20:45:24Z2023-01-09T20:45:24ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>No obvious problems in console.</p>
<p>Your main element in your dataset is your price history which is 26MB alone. You could consider purge/thin price history in toolbox. Depends if you want it all?</p></div>Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-13T02:55:47Z2023-01-13T02:55:47ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>I have about a 350 MB file of data from 1998 onwards. It opens in about 8 seconds on an Intel iMac (SSD drive) running Monterey. I don't know if you have found something odd in the M1 macs with Rosetta2 or if it is something in Ventura. But this shouldn't be an issue with the size of the file.</p>
<p>I test under Monterey on a Mac Book Air and had about the same quick time to open.</p>
<p>Stuart would know more, but sometimes the console log has time stamps of how much time is spent in a variety of routines.<br>
(NOT IK Support)</p></div>sthtag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-27T00:17:31Z2023-01-27T00:17:32ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>I used shrink, but it did not seem to improve anything. Now after working with MD for a couple of weeks, start is painfully slow, taking several minutes to open.</p></div>Thomas Goodhart tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-27T00:22:56Z2023-01-27T00:22:58ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>MD is taking 15 minutes or longer to open up. 100% of CPU</p></div>Thomas Goodharttag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-01-27T08:06:04Z2023-01-27T08:06:04ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>Now that you’ve run shrink. Can you repeat step 2 and post results here.</p>
<p>Post the output of toolbox, analyse dataset and objects here.</p>
<p>Also post your help/console here too</p></div>Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-02-01T01:33:33Z2023-02-01T01:33:35ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>I did Shrink and it did not help the startup slowness. Ran some of the Security fixes and other cleanup tool in the Toolbox and several problems were fixed.</p>
<p>I ran Shrink with it set to zero, and brought the MD file size way down to about 30 MB.</p>
<p>Now, MD opens up in about 10 seconds.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the help/</p></div>Thomas Goodharttag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-02-01T05:46:53Z2023-02-01T05:46:53ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>Toolbox 🧰 +1 😃</p></div>Stuart Beesley (Mr Toolbox)tag:infinitekind.tenderapp.com,2009-01-14:Comment/574741022023-02-01T15:40:12Z2023-02-01T15:40:18ZMD is very slow to start up on macOS Ventura 13.0.1<div><p>Oh, and I updated to MD 2022.6, too.<br>
Only complaint I have, now, is with the download of investment transactions doesn’t work as nicely as for bank accounts.</p></div>Thomas Goodhart